Banter And Picking A Sitcom

SPEAKER_07 0:00

Tony, I've been thinking, and I know me thinking is dangerous, especially since we're in the middle of our best actress series. But I think we need to do a TV series. You do? Yeah, you know, it's been over a month since we released our last one, which was Dick Van Dyke. And I think we should do another one. We've we've had great feedback on our shows from listeners, and so you and I discussed doing one a month. Well, well, what what show do you what is what do you want to talk about? Well, you know, I thought about it, and uh people seem to like the 60s. So why don't we talk about the Beverly Hillbellies? Because everybody adores those lovable hillbellies. Beverly Hillbellies? No. No. No, okay. I can't believe you denied the hillbellies. Okay. Um I know. Um let's get something that's more recent but still classic. And I've started re-watching Arrested Development, and uh Henry Winkler is hysterical. And he's made me nostalgic for his much different character, the Fonz. So, how about Happy Days? Happy Days? Hmm. No, no. Oh my god. Um you always turn me down. So I give up. You don't want to talk about Beverly Hillbells, you don't want to talk about Happy Days, two incredible classics. And there aren't that many other great shows, you know. What do you want to talk about?

SPEAKER_09 1:33

What do I want to talk about? I want to talk about that girl. Da da da da da da da. Hello, I'm film historian Tony Mayetta.

SPEAKER_07 1:50

And I'm Brad Shreve, who's just a guy who likes movies.

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We discuss movies and television from Hollywood's golden age. We go behind the scenes and share our opinions too.

SPEAKER_07 2:00

And of course, being the average guy, my opinions are the ones that matter.

Meet The Hosts Of Going Hollywood

SPEAKER_09 2:05

As does your self-delusion. Welcome to Going Hollywood. Totally unrehearsed. That worked out well. It played off my irascibility of not wanting to take your suggestions. And we did a call out to that girl.

SPEAKER_07 2:26

And I want to sing the theme song, which I was absolutely shocked to find out was only the fifth season.

SPEAKER_09 2:32

Isn't that something?

SPEAKER_07 2:34

I actually walk around the house. There's two songs that I walk around the house singing.

SPEAKER_09 2:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 2:39

And that is one of them. Is it real? And I would have sworn it was the whole series. Another one is from the series, and we're going to talk about that. We're going to talk about that episode soon. And I'm sure you know what it is.

SPEAKER_09 2:49

Yes. Well, so listeners, yes, we are indeed interrupting our best actress series to talk about that girl from ABC from September 8th, 1966 to March 19th, 1971. So that girl is technically for this season, 60 years old. Happy birthday, that girl, coming up in September. I'm so excited to talk about this. Wow. I know, right? She doesn't look that old, does she?

SPEAKER_07 3:17

I haven't seen the more recent one. I watched uh some interviews from a decade or so ago, and she looked fabulous.

SPEAKER_09 3:24

No, I'm talking about Anne Marie. I'm talking about Anne Marie in the at the height of oh, she looks wonderful. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 3:30

She's a girl. She looks wonderful. You know, she has that uh Coco Peru flip in her hair.

SPEAKER_09 3:36

Oh so much to talk about with this show. You know, in our TV series, our TV episodes tend to run long, so buckle in listeners, because there's a lot to talk about.

Why That Girl Matters

SPEAKER_07 3:47

I have to say I'm very happy about this one because we watched a movie on it recently, and I don't remember which episode it was, but when the movie ended on Amazon, that girl popped up. And I said to you, you know, that would be a lot of fun to do. I think, except I don't know if people really have fond memories the way I do. And you were like, I love that girl. So we said, let's do it.

SPEAKER_09 4:10

See, I have a completely different memory of that. Could be the problem. I remember you suggesting that girl, and I'm like, hmm, I don't know. Does anybody really because I am a Dyed in the Wool, uh true-blooded um uh American, true-blooded Mary Tyler Moore. I am, you know, and there's always the little question of who really, really, really is the origin of the single girl striking out on her own story. Is it that girl or is it Mary Tyler Moore? And then I started watching these episodes. And can I tell you, I absolutely gobsmacked, fell head over heels for Anne Marie and for that girl. So I'm not changing my Mary Tyler Moore criteria at all. However, props to Marlo Thomas. I love this show. I have the best time watching the show, Brad. It's just, it's it's intoxicating. It's a wonderful, wonderful series.

SPEAKER_07 5:06

It really is. And she, you just can't help but love her. You know, it has been so, I mean, it's been decades since I watched this show, and I'm like, I hope it's as good as I remember when I was a kid watching it in reruns, I don't know what time of day it was. And I really uh at first I was like, hmm, is this gonna be dated? But it's not very refreshing.

SPEAKER_09 5:27

It is, and I don't know why I had the same thing, and I don't know why I was worried, because not only do we have the effervescent Marlo Thomas, the wonderfully dry Ted Bessel, we have the creator, we the creators of this series are the writers from the Dick Van Dyke show, Sam Dennoff and Bill Persky. They're the showrunners on the show. So why would we not think this would be a fabulous show? I don't, I don't know. I I had I was just so blown away by the wit, by the charm, um, especially the first season. And we should probably tell people that we're gonna be a little first season heavy here, because in my opinion, the first season, and this is rare, usually, as I say a million times, TV shows take a while to find their footing. There's very rare exceptions. Golden Girls is one, I think Friends is one too, where they're just they hit it out of the park their first season. And I think that girl definitely is. There's a charm to the first season. As the show went on, in my opinion, it got a little sillier. However, it doesn't change the fact that I love this show.

SPEAKER_07 6:25

Well, first of all, regarding why we were concerned about this show, for whatever reason, I don't know what it is. I think if you asked young people today, they would have no clue what this show is. It didn't leave a lasting impression, which which I don't know why. You know, you know, I mentioned the Beverly Hill Belly show.

SPEAKER_09 6:44

What about all the takeoffs? What about all the takeoffs? Like that that black girl, remember that from Saturday. And people are always doing takeoffs on the very famous opening sequence of her walking through Manhattan, seeing herself in different places.

SPEAKER_07 6:59

I don't know. It's I think when people look back on old shows, they don't think about this show. I could be wrong. And listeners, let us know. Let us know. We'll tell you later how to do that, because I want to know if I'm wrong here. And uh like I said, I sing this theme song when I'm cleaning around the house for whatever reason. But I haven't watched an episode in ages.

SPEAKER_09 7:19

I picture you in a little kerchief with a little dust, dust thing going diamonds, daisies, snowflakes. But you know what? You know why I think this show you might be right about that is because this show is indeed overshadowed by the Mary Tyler Moore show. I mean, the Mary Tyler Moore show, you know, record number of Emmys, record number of Emmy nominations, mythic, uh, you know, in the in the zeitgeist for the single career gal. However, and I heard somebody say this, and I think it's very important, and that is that Anne Marie opened the door that Mary Richards walked through. And I think that's the perfect way to describe this series. I just got a little chills when I said that. I think it's a perfect way to describe this series and its impact and its importance in TV history. There really would not have been a Mary Richards without an Anne Marie. I that's the way I feel about it.

SPEAKER_07 8:11

Yeah, this boy, I hate to use this term because it's so overused. It really was groundbreaking. A single woman, I almost said single girl. Actually, I can say single girl because she was mad when Donald called her a woman. I was that was so cute when she died mad. She went, woman? A single girl. We'll talk about that. I'm like a feminist anyway. Yeah, I thought that was very cute. And um, a single girl on her own, dating a guy, she's not dependent on anybody, she's uh struggling, though I can't figure out how she afforded that in an apartment, but that's a whole different issue. Well, maybe her I always thought maybe her parents helped her out. I don't know.

SPEAKER_09 8:46

Well, Marlo Thomas addressed that, but finish your point and then I'll talk about that.

SPEAKER_07 8:50

Other things about the show, the show was never a huge hit, and then it was on the same time. Shows that were popular hits when it was on. You had Bonanza, you had Andy Griffith, uh Lucy, Green Acres.

SPEAKER_09 9:03

Um, it never cracked the top 30, which is astounding to me because it aired right after Bewitched. And Bewitched was in the top 10, you know, up until its last few seasons. So I'm wondering, yeah, and yet it they kept it on because it's so charming, because it had such pedigree of the creators of the Dick Van Dyke show, but it never cracked the top 30, which always amazes me. And Marlo Thomas, like Elizabeth Montgomery, was nominated for four Emmys for this and never won an Emmy for this performance, which I think is sad.

SPEAKER_07 9:36

I think that's sad too.

SPEAKER_09 9:37

It's not quite the crime of the Elizabeth Montgomery, in my opinion, but it's very sad.

SPEAKER_07 9:41

Yeah, she won a Golden Globe, but she should have won an Emmy.

Aspirational New York And Style

SPEAKER_09 9:44

I figured it out. I I figured it out. Marla Thomas is what we'll call an ego. She's an eagt, she's not an egot, she's an eagupt because she won an Emmy, she won a Grammy, a Golden Globe, and a Peabody. So, okay. I wouldn't sneeze at a Peabody, I'll tell you right now. I think that's pretty impressive.

SPEAKER_07 10:04

EGUPT. All right, so let me do a synopsis of the show for the few that, like we always say, why are you listening? If you don't know, but if you're not, we're glad you're here anyway. Real quick, the show is about aspirant actress Anne Marie, who leaves her home of Brewster, New York, uh, conveniently just a couple hours away from her family, so they kept helping in. Sometimes very easy.

SPEAKER_09 10:27

Sometimes like 10 minutes away.

SPEAKER_07 10:29

Yeah, her dad pops in and whatever. I know. Um, but she leaves home to become an actress. Uh she struggles odd jobs, and uh, she dates magazine writer Donald Hollinger, and the two of them really have great chemistry. And uh I think that has a lot to do with the show, even though at one point she didn't want him there. Um and she was us, she was one of the first, if not the first, single woman series.

SPEAKER_09 10:55

Yes, she wasn't the first single woman series. There was a there was a there were a couple, but there was one called Private Secretary, starring Ann Southern in the 50s, and she was single and she was a working girl, but she but she you gotta kind of first of all, she was kind of middle-aged. This is Marla Thomas put this into perspective. She said that at this time, girls, women, young girls, Marla uh who were Anne Marie's age would go from their parents' house to college to their husband's house. The fact that this young girl was saying, No, I'm going to make it on my own. I want to be single for a while and have a career or experience life on my own, and then maybe get married, was a new, a new concept. And of course, ABC, and we'll get into the background, ABC was like, huh? The the head of programming was like, What? And so Marlo Thomas sent him a copy of the feminine mystique. And he read it, and he's like, Okay, do your show. But yes, that's also true. But I also want to address what you talked about about, and this is what the criticism that girl always gets. How does this aspiring, struggling actress afford this fabulous wardrobe, this incredible apartment, all these adventures? Well, folks, it's one word: aspirational. Marlo Thomas said, this show was never designed to be Hill Street Blues, okay? This show was designed to be aspirational for young, and it was for young girls to then want to create this kind of life for themselves. And if you don't think that's realistic, think of a little show called Sex in the City. You really think Carrie Bradshaw could have afforded all that stuff in real life? Of course she couldn't. The same thing with friends. Yeah, you know, that apartment. Everybody always criticizes friends. Who they couldn't afford that apartment. Aspirational. And I love that. And she's absolutely right. Among the people that cite Anne Marie as an aspiration are none other than Candace Bergen, Julia Louis Dreyfus. I mean, some major players in show business cite Marlo Thomas and the character of Anne Marie as aspirational. And I, in that respect, I think she's absolutely on the money.

SPEAKER_07 13:10

Very good point. And I I agree with you 100%. Friends did go back to because they got so much flack about that apartment, they went and tried to explain. That it was Monica Grandmother or something. Whatever. Yeah, it doesn't matter. But it doesn't matter. Like I said, I always thought maybe her parents helped her out, but that kind of takes away from her doing it on her own.

SPEAKER_09 13:27

So that's yeah, but the beautiful thing about that girl is yes, it is aspirational. It isn't a fantasy. The reason Marlo Thomas had just uh come back from London, she was doing a production of Barefoot in the Park. And of course, London in the mid-60s was the time of the mod fashions of the swinging sixties. So she brought all those back with her, and she started all these trends. The sunglasses on top of her head, started Marlo Thomas. The eyelashes. Okay. At one point, Marlo Thomas said she was wearing three sets of false eyelashes. Which you're like, I mean, the Anne-Marie look is mythic. It's mythic. And uh we'll we'll talk a little bit more about that. But I think we should say we're gonna structure this like we structure all of our TV episodes. We have we each picked two episodes. I picked two, Brad picked two, very difficult. But we might sprinkle in a few other ones, like the pilot in the last episode, um, but we're not gonna go deep into them because some I didn't watch, some Brad didn't watch. So that's the way we're gonna do it. That's the way we're gonna go.

SPEAKER_07 14:27

I do have one comment to make about her clothes. Other than Dawn's um sideburns, which I'll forgive him because it was the era, her clothes were so wonderful in the last season. Uh, they were so spot on 70s.

SPEAKER_09 14:42

Totally 70s. That's what's fascinating about this show, is the first season is so mid-60s. You can practically hear Breakfast at Tiffany's. You can practically hear Henry Mancini. You know, it's so mid-60s New York. It's just wonderful. And then by the end, five years later, five short years later, it's basically Love American style. I mean, with the song, with the lyrics, with a diamond, her outfits, the the music in between the scenes. It really gives you an incredible taste of culture from the mid-60s to when when things just completely changed. Her look changed. You're right. She was very, I was watching one of those episodes where she was wearing the thing that was like a moo moo. It was one of those early 70s caftan things. And, you know, the the mar the Anne-Marie look, you know, the kite when she's flying the kite at the end of the credits, and she's got with the flip hairdo and the bangs. Did you know that Marlo Thomas and third year of the show, Marlo Thomas let her bangs grow out? And ABC was like, What happened to your bangs? And she's like, Well, I let them grow out. They're like, No, no, no, no, no. Anne Marie had this this look is mythic. Claire all is our sponsor. Get the bangs. So for that, like the third and fourth season, she wore Marlo Thomas called it a mustache wig. This one across across her forehead. And then by the last season, they let her get they let her get rid of the bangs and she could have the long hair again.

SPEAKER_07 16:07

So it's well, the episode in season five I watched, she had a lot of fringe. But anyway, we got we got a lot to do. We got a lot to do.

Cast Chemistry And Supporting Players

SPEAKER_09 16:13

We got a lot to do. Do you want to go over the do you want to go through the cast, uh the main cast of that girl? So we have some absolutely.

SPEAKER_07 16:20

Uh, we of course we have Marlo Thomas's Anne Marie, who we just talked about. The wonderful Ted Bessel, uh, who played Donald Don Hollinger. He was a writer for Newsview magazine and was Anne's boyfriend. Later, Fiona.

SPEAKER_09 16:36

Can I say something about that really quickly? Because you mentioned their chemistry is one of the reasons this show works. And very, very true. Very true, one of the reasons this show works is a chemistry between Marlo Thomas and Ted Bessel. Do you know they dated briefly in real life for a while? No, I didn't. Did you know that? Yeah, they did. Uh didn't work out, obviously. There was a man called Phil Donahue who came in and took care of that. But um, they remained close, close friends for the rest of their lives. In fact, Marla Thomas said when her father died, Danny Thomas, that Ted Bessel drove her around the city for hours and hours and just let her talk and cry and talk and cry, which I thought was a beautiful thing. A beautiful thing.

SPEAKER_07 17:16

Yeah, and the other thing I want to say about him is I saw her interviewed and she was saying about Ted Bessel. Well, she said she didn't want a boyfriend in the beginning. She had to fight about that. And she's glad she lost because she did feel like it grounded that she had a family, Donald as her family, in addition to her adventures in the city. So she did make it feel that the show feel grounded, and she said it really helped her to get there because Ted Bessel and her were so great together.

SPEAKER_09 17:46

They were they were great together, and again, it's that thing of you have to walk before you can run. Marlo Anne Marie walked and she had her boyfriend, but she was on her own. So Mary Richards could run and not have a steady boyfriend. So you it's all about increments, it's all about the increments of it.

SPEAKER_07 18:02

Um next, we had Lou Parker as Lou Marie and his father, uh-protective, blue collar, very peninated. Uh hated Don, but I don't know if he really hated Don, but just nobody was good enough for his daughter.

SPEAKER_09 18:19

For five years, she he gave that guy grief. For five years, he never ever warmed up to Don. Ever. I love Lou Parker. I think Lou Marie is one of the best comic sitcom characters ever created. He is such a prick, he is such a prick nonstop. He is the male version of the mother-in-law. It's just, it's such a great he's Mrs. Stevens, and we'll get to that in a minute. But he's like Darren's mother, but he's Anne Marie's father. I love that. I love that.

SPEAKER_07 18:51

I agree. And then we had Rosemary DeCamp. We didn't see her as much because she didn't rush off to the city every time she was worried about Anne. Uh, she played Helen Marie, Ann's mother. Um, she was a housewife. And then just touching on a few of the others, we had Judy Bessemer, who played Bonnie Scott, Ann's friend and neighbor. She kind of vanished later. I don't know what happened with her. Uh and later she was replaced with Beverly Sanders, who played Ruthie, uh, who was a friend and co-worker. And then, really quick, the others, you had uh Bernie Coppel Copel, Judy Bernie Coppel of uh Love Boat fame. Uh Copel.

SPEAKER_09 19:27

I always say I always heard Bernie Coppel.

SPEAKER_07 19:29

I think you were right.

SPEAKER_09 19:30

Bernie Coppel.

SPEAKER_07 19:31

Anyway, people know who I'm talking about. The guy, the doctor from Love Boat, Harvey Peck, who played Ronnie Shell, Anne's agent. Um I didn't catch it that George Carlin played Judy's husband.

SPEAKER_09 19:43

Yeah, well, there were a lot of little, there were a lot of actors who came on to the show who did one one episode. You know what I mean? It wasn't like they were recurring characters. First of all, Anne moved from the first season on, so she had different neighbors. But there was there were quite a few up-and-comers I saw in these episodes. Um, I saw Terry Garr, I saw Ruth Buszy, I saw Rob Reiner, I saw George Carlin. Yeah, it was, you know, late 60s. These people were making careers for themselves. So there was a whole bunch of people who came through.

SPEAKER_07 20:12

I gotta say that I am glad you told me that she moved. I didn't realize that. I'm like, wow, she really changed her apartment. Because in the first season, I watched an episode where they were warming themselves over her um potbelly stove. And the and I'm like, I don't remember ever seeing that. And then I watched later and it vanished, and I said, Did they bring that in for one episode?

SPEAKER_09 20:32

That kind of you know No, the first season she's living, she's living uh uh it almost looks like a hotel for women, but it's not in the pilot, it is, but we'll get to that. But then she moved, so but they didn't have it in the show that she moved, it was just a different apartment. She just moved. That's all.

SPEAKER_07 20:47

Okay, and those are the main main actors. We had like as you said, there were a lot of people that came and went.

SPEAKER_09 20:52

Yeah.

That Girl Vs Mary Tyler Moore

SPEAKER_07 20:52

Uh and we we talk about a couple of them today.

SPEAKER_08 20:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 20:55

Um, so and yeah, she lived in the first season, she lived on the Upper East Side, and then the second season she moved to the Upper West Side for our New Yorkers out there. That's basically what happened. You know how I always do like little myths, and I want to bust some myths and little tidbits. Yes, I love these. But I uh there's a couple things which I think are just so fascinating. And because we were talking about the fact that Anne Marie was the precursor to Mary Richards, there are so many very interesting similarities between that girl and the Mary Tyler Moore show. I mean, when you think about it, you've got two of the head writers on the Dick Van Dyke show, which featured Mary Tyler Moore creating the show. So maybe that has something to do with it, but there's something there. But do you know? Did you know this, Brad, that Ted Bessel actually played boyfriend to Mary Richards in two episodes of the Mary Tyler Moore show in the sixth year? Have you ever seen those?

SPEAKER_07 21:50

No, and I'm I'm actually embarrassed that I didn't don't recall that. I mean, I either don't recall it or I didn't catch it with him.

SPEAKER_09 21:57

He's iconic as Donald Hart. Hollinger, you know, that girl's boyfriend. And then he becomes the boyfriend to that other girl, that other single girl. Yeah. His character's name on Mary Tyler Moore was Joe Warner, and he wasn't anything like uh Don Hollinger at all. But I thought that was interesting. Another MTM similarity is both first season Christmas episodes of these shows have the same title. They're called Christmas and the Hard Luck Kid. And in order to differentiate, the writers of the Mary Tyler Moore episode called it Christmas and the Hard Luck Kid Part 2, which makes all sense. That girl also featured episodes that were written by none other than James L. Brooks, who created the Mary Tyler Moore show, as well as uh Treva Silverman, who won an Emmy for the very famous uh Lou and Edie story on the Mary Tyler Moore show. So that's cool. I love those. The similarities with the Mary Tyler Moore show are really fascinating to me. But here's something that's not Mary Tyler Moore, but it's also very fascinating to me, uh, with another show. Um, because Jennifer Aniston and Marlo Thomas share something in common. They share Jennifer Aniston's father, John Aniston, because Marlo Thomas and John Aniston did a play together years before Jennifer was born, and they became very good friends. And then, of course, years later, Marlo played Jennifer's mother on Friends. She was Rachel's mother on Friends. So that's kind of cool. Also because, you know, Rachel and Friends is kind of like a 1990s Anne Marie, you know. So it's just, it's, I don't know. I find this kind of stuff really fascinating. It's it's really cool.

SPEAKER_07 23:42

I thought you were gonna say they dated because Jennifer's father was very handsome.

Network Rules About Sex And Marriage

SPEAKER_09 23:46

Yeah, no, no, I wasn't gonna say that. I wasn't gonna say that. Um, okay, so what do we want to do? Do we want to talk a little bit about the background of that girl and how it all how it all came together? And then we'll talk about some of these episodes.

SPEAKER_07 23:58

Well, you know, uh, you talked about some myth busting, and I want to talk about um uh something that had to do with uh the network stepping in here. Oh, okay. Because I said that the network was insistent that Anne have a boyfriend, and Marlo kind of lost that, but she kind of later said that was a good decision. Where she won the battle was they wanted Ann and Donald to get married. Yes, and they really wanted a wedding, and Thomas and the producers fought that, and she really fought that, and it was all part of making her that sing you know, the single woman out, you know, doing it on her own without needing a man in her life to do that. So that was great, but and Mary Richards, as we know, was similar. The difference is we knew Mary had sex, we never saw it, but we know that she was on the pill. They made that very clear in one episode. Mary was on the pill. Marlowe and Don, or I'm sorry, Ann and Don were a whole different story. And I want to play a clip of Marlo being interviewed.

SPEAKER_09 25:12

Oh, we have Marlo, we have Marlo, yay!

SPEAKER_07 25:14

Yeah, she brings this up, and it's she talks about one of the episodes I watched, which um we're not gonna get into it, but it was in they were in a hotel room together, her and Don, which is actually pretty amazing when I watched. I'm like, huh. So anyway, we're gonna we're gonna play this clip. I will say this is uh I took pieces out of an interview she did. Unfortunately, the way I did it, it sounds like it's one continuous thing, and I don't want to pull the roll wool over anybody's eyes. But this is from her interview that she did uh regarding their relationship.

SPEAKER_00 25:45

Oh, cool. Well, Anne and Donald were sweethearts, but they were sweethearts not from the sixties, which is where we were, but from uh the fifties, really. The sensibility, the sexuality was really hidden. You know, I mean, here we were in the sixties and seventies, the Vietnam War, free love, women not wearing bras, you know, this whole sexual revolution, but it wasn't happening on television. It wasn't happening anywhere. So it's interesting to to realize that what was going on in the sixties in real life was not in that show or any show. It isn't that there wasn't any sex in the sixties and seventies, it just wasn't on television. Well, you never saw Donald sit on my bed or be in the bedroom. Um you mo almost always saw him go home, you know, the door. He always went out the door. Uh and we did a show that Jim Brooks, the great Jim Brooks, wrote, and it was about uh Bernie Capell and his wife were getting married, and we went up to their wedding up in some cabin and it snowed. And I think the show was called Snow and Rice or something like that. And there was only one room, and Donald and I had to stay in it. And so I stayed in the bed and Donald slept on the couch. And then, of course, the next morning my father showed up, and Donald was there in his pajamas and all this, you know, rooha over the fact that we had spent this night in the same hotel room. Uh, and it was all about Daddy, do you trust me kind of, you know, thing. And but I mean, in many ways, for these people who were in their twenties to be acting in this sort of I don't know, immature way. I mean, the audience went with it because I think everybody aspired to that morality, even though no one was living it.

SPEAKER_09 27:35

That's fascinating. And it's so true. It's very true. The they never they never had sex. They never that you knew they never had sex.

SPEAKER_07 27:43

And one thing she continues on is the network kept getting upset because they kept see hearing things that they thought were innuendo and they were trying to sneak sex in there. She'd like every time we were like, that's not what we're doing, we weren't trying that at all. But you could just tell them together. I kind of felt like they were having sex.

SPEAKER_09 28:01

In the make-believe world of, I mean, when an out-of-work actress can afford a fabulous apartment on the upper west side, yeah. I think that, yeah, I think like everything else with the show, you know, it's it's kind of a fantasy. It's kind of a fantasy. If it was real life, we'd have a whole bunch of other issues. But I love that. She's absolutely right. It really is like a 60s show set in the 50s. It's interesting that she brought that up. And I I agree. I agree. All that stuff was happening in culture, but it wasn't happening on TV. You know, it just wasn't.

SPEAKER_07 28:32

Yeah, they were they were kind of they were kind of like dancing line between two decades. They really were. She was very 60s, but also very 50s. Well, think about it. It was like this, like, where do we go with this? This show notes.

SPEAKER_09 28:44

This show started in 1966, a very good year. And the Dick Van Dyke show ended in 1966. Well, Rob and Laura were still sleeping in separate beds. So, you know, it was only with Bewitched in '64 that we actually saw a married couple sleeping in the same bed. So, and you know, she had to be a witch in order for that to happen. So, progress on TV in the late 60s was very slow, but she's absolutely right. In culture, not the case. Not the case. That's interesting. I'm glad you played that.

SPEAKER_08 29:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 29:17

We're gonna go a little bit in the background, not gonna go too deeply, but we're gonna go a little bit into the background of the series. It's important. I think the first thing I want to say is that the part of Anne Marie was played by the luminous, the effervescent Margaret Julia, nickname Marlo Thomas, who was born on November 21st, 1937. And as of this recording, God bless, still with us, still with us. Um actress, a producer, an author, and a social activist with a capital A. One of the reasons I love her so much. Um, and for those of you who don't, may not know this, she's also the daughter of a certain man named Danny Thomas. Yes, Danny Thomas, if you didn't know this, is Marlo Thomas' father. He had three kids. Marlo is the oldest. And she has two siblings, both of who appear in an episode we're gonna talk about, which I think is wonderful. Her brother, Tony Thomas, became a very famous producer, produced a little show called The Golden Girls. So this family was very, very steeped in show business. Marlowe grew up around it. Her mother had been a singer. Her sister, in the episode we're gonna talk about, beautiful voice. And Marlo has a very nice voice, too. Um, so Marlo was the first in her generation to actually go to college. It was very important to her father, and he insisted that she get a degree in something besides acting, because he said a degree in acting is useless and won't get you a job. And hello, totally agree with that. Um makes sense. She got a degree in teaching, however, she wanted to be an actress. So she studied it with Sanford Meisner and she had a little bit of a career happening. And what happened was as far as that girl goes, is she did a pilot for ABC that was not picked up. And the pilot was called To's Company. And she was called in to the head of programming's office at ABC, a man named Edgar Sherrick, who saw her in the pilot and said, The pilot's not happening, but you are. You we love. We we want to put you into a series of your own, which is beautiful. They even had a sponsor for her. So all she had to do was create the pilot. So she Sherrick gave her several scripts to read, which she didn't like. She pitched him the idea of a show in which the main character was a young, modern woman focused on her dreams and desires, trying to set out on her own. And Marlowe's idea was to call the show Miss Independence, because that was always Danny Thomas's nickname for her, was oh, here goes Miss Independence, because she's got to go out and strike on her own. As I said, Sherrick was like, I don't know about this. And then Marlowe gave him a copy of The Feminine Mystique, and he agreed to do it. So, what was great about Marlo Thomas growing up in this show business family around all these writers, all these creative people like Carl Reiner, like Sheldon Leonard, because her father, Danny Thomas, was an uncredited producer on the Dick Van Dyke show. Well, Marlo knew these people. So when she realized she had a show to create, she turned to Bill Persky and Sam Danoff, who were writers on the Dick Van Dyke show, and she approached them to create it. And she was also a creator. So it made her a de facto executive producer of this series. Did you know that, Brad? Did you know that Daisy Productions is Marla Thomas?

SPEAKER_07 32:51

I didn't know that. I heard that she was an uncredited producer, but I didn't know what exactly that meant. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 32:58

So she formed Daisy Productions to produce this show, making her the executive producer, the fourth female executive producer of a show behind Gertrude Berg, Betty White, and Lucy O'Ball. That's the only Lucy moment you're going to get in this show. So they didn't like the idea. They didn't like the title Miss Independence. They didn't think it was a good title. So that Bill Persky and Sam Denhoff came up with that girl. And they were only going to do the beginning of that girl for one or two episodes. But everybody loved it so much that they did it through the entire series. So if people don't know, every episode of That Girl starts the way Brad and I started this episode. Some point in the line, somebody says that girl. And then the show starts. They filmed a pilot, which never aired. Now, what do you know? What have you heard about the pilot, Brad? Because I know you you didn't see it. It's not available anywhere. I looked all over for it. I actually had to get my ass. Well, I ordered it from Amazon. I bought the first season DVDs because that's the only place I could find the pilot and I watched it.

SPEAKER_07 34:06

What did you hear about the pilot, Brad? Well, I was looking for the pilot because we very frequently don't necessarily talk about the pilot, but we usually watch it and just kind of touch on it. So I was looking and I found the information that the pilot, there was a pilot created, and it didn't show up until the 90s, I think, on TV land.

SPEAKER_09 34:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 34:27

And uh it was nowhere to be. I searched everywhere, everywhere for it. I do know that Donald, and I just can't even picture this. Donald was her agent, and her his name was not Donald Hollinger, it was Don Bluesky. And you've got I picture this hippie, so you gotta tell me what Donald was like in this pilot.

SPEAKER_09 34:52

He was basically, he was basically like Don Hollinger. He wasn't a hippie. Why would he have such a crazy name? Because he's part Cherokee. Now, I don't know what the fuck that has to do with the Red Sea episode. It has nothing to do with anything. His name, yes, this is the the pilot was remade in the episode uh What's in a Name from the first season. So if you watch the episode What's in a Name of that girl, that's basically the pilot. There are so many fascinating things about this pilot. I'm just gonna briefly first of all, it's very good, it's a good pilot. Um, it was directed by Jerry Paris, you know, frequent director of the Dick Van Dyke show, written by Sam Danoff and Bill Persky. But here's the thing: so in the pilot, Ted Bessel plays her agent, not her boyfriend. She doesn't have a boyfriend. And also her parents, Lou and Helen, are played by two different actors than end up in the show. They weren't played by Lou Parker and Rosemary DeCamp. They were played by none other than Harold Gould. Yes, Martin Morgenstern himself, and Penny Santon. They played Anne's parents.

SPEAKER_07 36:00

How many pilots did Harold Gould do that ended up for one reason or another? Somebody else, I know it was Happy Days was one of them. Somebody else, for one reason or another, ended up taking over his role.

SPEAKER_09 36:12

Well, yeah, no, I mean it's kind of crazy, right? So the pilot is good. And the network ran it through, you know, they tested it to get reactions, and there were two problems. They didn't like two things. One, they didn't like the parents. They were two, according to the network, they were too ethnic. In other words, Jewish. Jewish. That's the way that's the word they used for when they said too New York, too Jewish. They said they would say it's too ethnic. And think about it. I mean, Harold Gould went on to play Martin Morgenstern. So he's kind of doing Martin Morgenstern, a a very, very extreme version of Market, Martin Morgenstern, not quite as charming, in this pilot. And they didn't like that. The parents were too ethnic. The second thing they didn't like was Ted Bessel. You're absolutely right. Oh. And they wanted them to get rid of Ted Bessel. And Marlowe and the other producers of the show said, okay, we kind of we understand your point about the parents. We will make them a little more widebred. And that's how we got Lou Parker and Rosemary DeCamp. Um, that's fine. But we're not budging on Ted Bessel. So they didn't know what to do because Marlowe thought, first of all, she adored Ted Bessel. They were, she thought their chemistry was wonderful. And it is wonderful. They thought, okay, you know what the problem is? The problem isn't Ted Bessel. The problem is he's playing her agent and her boyfriend. And we think people don't like the fact that he's taking money from Anne Marie. So let's get rid of the boy, uh, the agent part of him, make him her boyfriend, Don Hollinger, who's a writer who meets her, and when someone else can play her agent. And that's exactly what happened.

SPEAKER_07 37:47

And a TV show was born. And one thing I when I read that he was her agent and her boyfriend, and I was glad that they changed it. As her agent and her boyfriend, it makes her less independent. It does. Plus, it's just really weird.

Anatomy Of A Blunder Breakdown

SPEAKER_09 38:02

Yeah. That she's in talking to her agent about a part, and then when he to thank him, she goes up and kisses him. You're like, oh, this is this is problematic. This is not this is not this was kind of icky. Um, I yeah, and it's not, yeah. It's it's it was a much better change. Plus, the way they meet, they meet in the very first season of That Girl in an episode called Don't Just Do Something, Stand There. And it's adorable the way they meet. They meet cute, it's adorable, and it totally changed the energy of the series. So the pilot was good enough to get the show greenlit, and it was on its way. So now we're going to talk about four episodes of the series. And Brad, I'll introduce them and give the stats, and then you talk about yours, I'll talk about mine. Does that work for you? Sure. That's the way we always do it. All right. So the first episode up is Brad's, and it's called Anatomy of a Blunder. It's from season one, episode five. It's directed by Bob Sweeney. It's written by Dale McCraven and Carl Kleinschmidt. And it originally aired October 6th, 1966.

SPEAKER_05 39:10

You know, Tom, as long as we've been going out together, I never dreamed you walk contact.

SPEAKER_02 39:14

You know, it's there's no telling how far it flew, though.

SPEAKER_05 39:17

Not that it makes any difference. It's just that you never know a person's will think you do.

SPEAKER_02 39:20

Maybe it rolled into the stream.

SPEAKER_05 39:22

I never dreamed to be afraid to meet my parents. Two people who make it, they know it that we don't know each other. Neither one of us is sometimes when you get a little excited, your your voice gets all crazy and squeaky. That's not bad. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 40:18

Well, wait a minute, there's more.

SPEAKER_05 40:19

Oh no, no, thanks a lot. That's about as imperfect as I want to be.

SPEAKER_07 40:24

And this episode, like the other episode, were two that the reason I picked them is I couldn't remember details on most of these episodes. I just remembered how much I liked it. And I remembered bits and pieces about these. This one, all I remembered was Donald getting mud in his face and laughing about it. All I remembered, and I remember and I remembered his eyes. He was having problems with his eyes. That's all I remembered. So when we were picking these episodes, I just threw these out. I'm like, let's do these two, hoping that they were good.

SPEAKER_04 40:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 40:57

And I'm glad they turned out pretty good. This is a fun episode. It was a fun episode. So the quick synopsis of this one is um talk about dating the 60s. Anne wanted to go back to her parents in Brewster to pick up her hi-fi.

SPEAKER_08 41:11

Yes.

SPEAKER_07 41:12

And so she was taking Donald with her. Now, yeah, and she was taking Donald with her, and her parents had not met Donald. And this is the first time you hear her father talking about that idiot, you know, or at least that I can recall. I know he's an idiot. And uh, even though he'd never met Donald, and along the way they decide they're gonna have a picnic. It's called Anatomy of a Blunder, as Tony said, and just one thing after another happens to poor Donald, and comedy ensues. I will say the one thing, the one thing that really bothered me, though, about this episode is Anne took the blame for everything that happened to him, and uh he kept blaming her. And it really wasn't his mistake either. It was things just happened to him.

SPEAKER_09 42:00

It's yes, it's totally it's it's anatomy of a blunder, also known as Don's Very Bad Day. Yeah, what? It's kind of like put on a happy face from the Mary Tyler Moore show because let's see, he steps on a bee and falls in a bush. He has an allergic reaction to horseradish that she put in his uh chopped liver. Uh, he loses both of his contact lenses because Anne slaps him on the back and she hits him in the head instead. Um, then he he's Anne steps on one of his contact lenses and breaks it, which this is the 60s, you could break contact lenses, and then he gets covered in mud when they're trying to get the car unstuck. So, yeah, all these fates befall him, and then he's got to go meet Ann's parents for the first time. So it's such a charming, wonderful. It's these first season episodes are so charming and wonderful. But what makes me laugh is that so there's a lot of on-location shots in this first set season and a couple in the second season, because the crew went to New York for like 15 days and just filmed things for maybe five or six episodes all outside, and then just would intersperse them in each episode. So, what I love is is that you see Don and Anne Marie in his convertible, and she's throwing money into a toll thing, I think to cross the George Washington Bridge. They'll go across the bridge, and you next thing you know, they're in Franklin Canyon in Beverly Hills.

SPEAKER_07 43:22

I looked at that lake and I'm like, and you can tell my farmer, I'm like, that is the Andy Griffith lake.

SPEAKER_09 43:28

Yes, sir, you're absolutely right. That is this, that's the fishing hole from the Andy Griffith show. Everything shot at Franklin Canyon in Beverly Hills. It's hysterical. I knew as soon as I saw it. They're in this great New York, getting on the throughway. Next thing you know, they're driving up, and you see the Santa Monica Mountains behind them. Totally different vegetation. Totally, it's just great. But it's still cute. You just gotta let that go. You gotta let that go.

SPEAKER_07 43:54

And you know, my favorite part of this is the father kept ragging on Donald. Called him all kinds of names and assumed he was a deadbeat. Just hated Donald's guts before Donald ever walked in the door. And he referred to Donald that Ann was probably dating some hobo. And when Donald the door opened and Donald walked in, or he hobbled in because he's hopping on one foot, covered in mud, his clothes are ripped, his face is skewed because he's missing uh a contact. Her mother, who is typically level-headed, said, He is a hobo.

SPEAKER_09 44:36

It's such a cute episode. I love this episode. I was gonna pick it if you hadn't. I just adore it's a great first season episode. She is so charming, she is so charming in this. She's just fresh and young, and oh god, you see why the ABC executives were so immediately taken with her personality because she's just so bright and effervescent and wonderful in these episodes. She's just this wonderful, fun girl. You know, it's it's just it's a great episode. And this episode illustrates that beautifully, beautifully.

SPEAKER_07 45:07

And and one thing I like about this episode, if somebody watched this and only watched this, they would think, wow, she's really dating an asshole. McDonald is just an asshole. Because all he did was yell throughout this episode. But as part of the whole continuation of the series, if you watch the first episodes in this, every couple goes through these ups and downs and these bad days and the yelling. And it made it realistic because he wasn't that way all the time. If he was that way all the time, you'd hate this character.

SPEAKER_09 45:35

Well, plus, Anne Marie is a handful.

SPEAKER_07 45:38

Yes, he definitely frustrated, she frustrated him all the time, but not to this level.

Toe Stuck In Bowling Ball

SPEAKER_09 45:44

Somebody said that he's got a tiger by the tail and he loves it, and that's exactly their relationship. He knows she's a nut job, he knows she's crazy, cuckoo, loony, and he loves her because of it. And so do we. So do we, yeah, absolutely. All right, shall we go on to the next episode? Absolutely. All right, so the next episode is mine, and it's called This Little Piggy Had a Ball. And it's also from season one. It's episode 28. It was directed by Hal Cooper, written by Arnold Margolin and Jim Parker, and it aired on March 23rd, 1967.

SPEAKER_05 46:25

Oh, Lovie, what's so terrible about going to a banquet with a bowling ball on your toe?

SPEAKER_03 46:32

But I thought you said you wouldn't.

SPEAKER_05 46:33

I don't know. I mean, there are lots of people running around New York with bullying balls on their toes, let's face it.

SPEAKER_04 46:39

Not running.

SPEAKER_05 46:40

Anyway, it's a brand new bowl. Nothing to be ashamed of.

SPEAKER_03 46:46

Honey, are you all right?

SPEAKER_05 46:48

Volume, just terrific thanks. I'd better go get Judy. I gotta get dressed.

SPEAKER_03 46:51

Uh wait a minute, Ann. What about your slacks?

SPEAKER_05 46:55

I can't wear these. It's a formal affair.

SPEAKER_03 46:59

I know, but how are you gonna get them off over the volume ball?

SPEAKER_05 47:03

Simple. I'll simply take them over my head. Never mind. Better yet. I'll take them off over the other way.

SPEAKER_03 47:12

Look, you just sit there. I'm gonna go get Dr. Bessemer, all right?

SPEAKER_05 47:16

Donald, I don't need Leon. I need Judy.

unknown 47:20

Judy.

SPEAKER_04 47:22

Yeah, honey, you need all the help you can get.

SPEAKER_09 47:25

Okay, so I had to pick this episode. Do you know why I had to pick this episode, Brad?

SPEAKER_07 47:31

I'm gonna guess because of the guest stars that popped in. Two unknowns.

SPEAKER_09 47:36

No, it's not actually, but that's good. I want to talk about that. No, I had to get I had to pick this episode because not only is it probably one of the most famous, because it's the one where Anne gets her big toe caught in a bowling ball. And didn't we just talk about another leading lady that I love and that you love getting her big toe caught in something? Yes, we did. What is it with these actresses putting their big toes in things?

SPEAKER_07 48:07

What is this? Stop doing it. Well, you know, I can I can forgive Mary. That you know, you're sitting in the bathtub and you're just kind of your toes playing with the faucet. Playing with a drill. Boom, it's stuck.

SPEAKER_08 48:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 48:20

Sticking your toe in a bowling ball is a whole different ball game.

SPEAKER_09 48:24

But here's what I love about this episode um is that the way the reason it happens is perfectly it's Anne-Marie logical. Okay, let's just say that. It may not be real-world logical, but it's Anne-Marie logical. Because what happens in the episode is that Anne is about to accept an award for an actress friend of hers who can't do it herself. And they've got a big banquet to go to. But before the banquet, they're gonna do a little bowling. So while they're waiting, while Anne is waiting for Dawn to help her write her speech for this banquet, they're gonna go to, she picks up a magazine and reads an article about a man who won a tournament by bowling with his big toe. So, of course, in Anne Marie logic, I'm gonna try this. And so, of course, she takes her shoes off, takes her socks off, puts her big toe into a bowling ball, and can't get it out because she has high strong toes. We later find out.

SPEAKER_07 49:24

And you know what I loved about this is she was so adorable about it. It was so hard because Don is sitting there scribbling things on a, he's trying to help write her speech there at the bowling alley, so he's engrossed in that, and he's not paying attention to her. And here she is, this young woman, but she's so cute and playful. She is, and she pulls out the bowling ball and she looks at it and she's like, I gotta try this. And she sticks her toes in it, and it's just it in it endears you to her. It does. If you didn't love her already, you had to then.

SPEAKER_09 49:55

I'm gonna go back on what I just said earlier. We're gonna have another Lucy moment. It's very Lucy Ricardo. It is. You love her, she's adorable, she's a scamp, she's crazy, she's kooky, and that's one of the reasons you love her because there's this innocence about her. There's a childlike joy about Anne Marie that's very Lucy Ricardo. And I love that, especially in the early episodes. Later, she can get a little cloying. I'm like, Anne Marie, come on. But in these early episodes, she's just a young girl who just wants to experience life. So she gets her big, she can't, of course, get the bowling ball off her big toe. So Don has to carry her out of the bowling alley. And this is so fun. If you haven't watched this, listeners, watch this episode. And the scene where she's carrying uh Ann out of the bowling alley was obviously shot in New York. It was one of the uh scenes they shot in New York when they were doing initial filming. And look at all the bystanders all looking at her. Makes sense. Look, but real people, these aren't actors, these are real people. It's like Hazel in the Mary Tyler Moore show, you know, saying, What's that crazy girl doing with throwing her hat in the air? Well, same thing. People are looking at her, like, who's this nut job with a bowling ball on her foot? So they can't get the bowling ball off. They go to a doctor, he gives her muscle relaxers to help her high strong toes not be so high strung. Um, and she ends up getting, of course, she gets high on the pills and she's just kooky and crazy. They go to the banquet with this big bandage wrapped around the bowling ball. And who do they happen to run into at this banquet, Brad? And this is the reason why you thought I picked this episode.

SPEAKER_07 51:33

Well, it was a couple first walked up, and I'm like, that guy's really familiar. And then it dawned on me that is Rob Reiner, a very young Rob Reiner. And then, you know, I typically try to watch these things without Maurice, but he had never seen that girl. And so I I made him watch it with me. And Rob and the young lady that was with him walked away. And Maurice goes, That was that was um, that was um, that was um, I said who? He goes, and he he said a movie, he said, I can't remember her name, but she was in it. I'm like, that wasn't her. And I rewound it, I'm like, good lord, you're right. That is Terry Garr.

SPEAKER_09 52:12

Terry Gar. And do you remember what do you remember what their characters' names were by any chance?

SPEAKER_07 52:17

No, all I remember is that uh Terry, who I think is gorgeous, did not look so gorgeous in this episode. Unless she was like kind of frumpy. She's like 14. She was so young. So anyway, no, I don't know what their names were.

SPEAKER_09 52:31

It's so funny. So, yes, Rob Reiner and Terry Garr make a brief appearance as this couple that knows Dawn and Ann. And their characters' names are you ready for it, Carl and Estelle. Now, why are their names Carl and Estelle? Because it's Rob Reiner, Carl Reiner, and Estelle Reiner is his mother. And who's writing this show? The writers from the Dick Van Dyke show. See, it all comes back.

SPEAKER_07 52:55

Wow.

SPEAKER_09 52:57

Isn't that funny? When I was like, wait a minute, Carl and Estelle, they're totally giving a shout-out to Carl Reiner and Estelle Reiner.

SPEAKER_07 53:04

It's it's so cute. And before we move on, I want to toss out another Lucy moment. Well, I don't know if it's I'm gonna make it a Lucy moment. You're gonna do a Lucy moment? All right, yeah, it's not really, but it reminds me of Lucy because it's not just her sticking her toes in the bowling ball, because Anne was given the muscle relaxer, yeah, and she takes the whole bottle. No, she doesn't. She takes three. She doesn't take the whole bottle. She takes oh, I thought she took my well, anyway. It reminded me very much of Vita Vita Benjamin. Yes. Well, she's high. She was totally high and giggling and laughing.

SPEAKER_09 53:39

It was very cute. It was so sweet. It's so sweet. Well, there's one more thing I want to say about Terry Gar. Another really kind of interesting tidbit about this is that we said that Marla Thomas famously went on to play Rachel's Mother on Friends. Terry Gar went on to play Phoebe's Mother on Friends. So there's another really kind of similarity.

SPEAKER_07 54:00

I forgot.

Rate Review Text Or Voicemail

SPEAKER_09 54:01

This is such a fun episode. It's one of the most famous uh because my God, getting your toe stuck in a bowling ball. It's not the first time she gets an appendage stuck either. In a later season episode, she gets her finger caught in a faucet. Again, like Laura Petri almost, but this time it's her finger, not her toe, caught in the kitchen faucet. It's it's hysterically funny. It's a fun, fun episode. Before we go on to the next episodes, Brad, I believe you have a little housekeeping to do. This is when we like to do it.

SPEAKER_07 54:30

Yes, I do. Really quickly, uh, as we always say, Tony and I are not paid for this. We are paid through your ratings and reviews and the great feedback we get. We get uh emails from you folks, and we see the ratings and the review or the the ratings and the reviews that you do on the apps. And so pay us. Go to wherever you're listening on, whether it's Apple or Spotify, which are the best. But whatever app you're listening to, go and rate and review this show because if you love it, and we hope you do, that it will encourage others to listen, and they will listen to our shows too. Also, we would also like to hear from you because we do have some episodes coming up that we have chosen because listeners have chosen. And as usual, they're ones I suggested, and now we're doing them because listeners suggested them too. And you can do that in the show notes. There is one that says text us or leave a voicemail. And if you click on that, you can send us a text to our phones, or you can leave us a voicemail. Leave us a voicemail. We would like to hear you, and we may put you on an episode, put your voice on there.

SPEAKER_09 55:42

I love that.

SPEAKER_07 55:43

Yeah, that would be kind of cool.

Ethel Merman And The Other Woman

SPEAKER_09 55:44

I'd like that. Yes, go ahead, do it, do it. Do I have to stick my toe into a bowling ball to get you to do it? Do it. We appreciate it. So now I think we should go on to season two. We should. Let's get out of the first season, although I'd love it. So the next one up is mine again, and it's called The Other Woman. It's from season two, it's episode 21. It was directed by Andrew McCullough. It was written by Richard Baer, and it aired on February 1st, 1968.

SPEAKER_01 56:12

Have you decided? We just sat down.

SPEAKER_05 56:15

We're drinking in the atmosphere.

SPEAKER_01 56:17

Order first drink later.

SPEAKER_05 56:24

Daddy, this isn't Brewster. This is Broadway.

SPEAKER_01 56:28

A dollar and eighty-five cents for a pastronomy sandwich?

SPEAKER_05 56:30

That's a triple decker with coleslaw. An Ethel Merman.

SPEAKER_04 56:35

With coleslaw, an Ethel Mermon.

SPEAKER_05 56:38

That's Ethel Merman right over there.

SPEAKER_01 56:40

Yeah, what if she remembers us? Of course she remembers us. I showed her how to make stuffed cabbage, and you coast on a show with it.

SPEAKER_05 56:48

Coast arm? My part was a walk on.

SPEAKER_01 56:51

You walk down like a coastal. Well, why don't you? I think I will.

SPEAKER_04 56:59

Oh, honey, she may not want to be bothered.

SPEAKER_01 57:01

No. People go over and say hello to her every day of her life.

SPEAKER_05 57:05

That is right.

SPEAKER_01 57:06

Probably your greatest source of irritation. Do you know the kid playing musical chairs?

SPEAKER_05 57:15

I should say so. I'd never forget that girl.

SPEAKER_07 57:23

It's the merm! The merm is back. I gotta tell you, the one thing that really bothered me about this episode. Yeah. But I love a cantankerous Ethel. She's so nice. When she appeared as herself on uh the Lucy show, she was cantankerous.

SPEAKER_09 57:40

Uh not really.

SPEAKER_07 57:41

I don't know. Well, she was more than she was. She was so sweet and sugary in this episode, but yeah, I don't. It was still wonderful to see her. Just absolutely wonderful to see her.

SPEAKER_09 57:50

She is an Ethel Merman that nobody on a Broadway stage ever encountered. She is just peaches and cream, and she is just as delightful as can be. So, yes, this episode features Ethel Merman. It's actually her second appearance. This is kind of like a sequel to the first, uh, the premier episode of the second season was called Pass the Potatoes, Ethel Merman. And it featured Ethel Merman, and Anne was in a show with Ethel. And they brought her back for this kind of sequel. And the reason I chose this was because I actually like it better than the first one, although the first one is very charming. But this was such a great episode. What happens in this episode is that uh they run into Ethel Merman at a restaurant. Anne and Dawn and her father. And of course, they remember each other and they talk. And Ann and Dawn are off to go somewhere, and Lou offers to drop Ethel Merman off at her studio where she's filming a TV special. Well, it gets in the papers that Ethel Merman is now seeing Restaurantur Lou Marie. And of course, everybody gets up in arms about it. Ann's mother leaves her husband. She, you know, she runs out because he's seeing Ethel Merman.

SPEAKER_07 58:59

And I love her line. They don't print these things if they're not true.

SPEAKER_09 59:06

It's all this wonderful miscommunication. It's very farcical. At one point, Lumerie ends up hiding from his wife in Ethel Merman's dressing room behind a screen. And Ethel is just as tolerant and sweet and lovable as she can be. Whereas you know, the real Ethel Merman would have said, get the fuck out of my dressing room. I got a show to do.

SPEAKER_07 59:26

She's running out the stage and she stops at the payphone to talk to the mother. I'm like, no. I love it. It's just so funny.

SPEAKER_09 59:36

It was I mean, they were really trying to make Ethel appealing because, like I said before, she was trying to get a sitcom. She was tired of doing Broadway. Uh she wanted her nights free, and so she was trying to do a sitcom. So Lucy did this, they did it in this show. They were trying to give a sugar-free Ethel Merman, if you will, to the masses. And it just didn't work because people just didn't buy it. She's great as she is as Ethel Merman, but she's fun in this episode. Uh, I think you know who I love in this episode is Dawn. Dawn is so dry and so funny in this episode. And that's the thing about I don't think people realize about Ted Bessel. You know, he's mythic as Donald Hollinger, but he was a really, really skilled actor. You know, he really was. He got one Emmy nomination the last year, and that was it. And I think that's unfortunate because then he got typecast as Don Hollinger, and he really had some limited, he did a show called Me and the Chimp, which was bad. He ended up being a very, very good director of sitcoms. But I love this episode. It's so funny. I'm kind of interested that they didn't make this a two-part and they didn't air it closer to the original Ethel Merman. Maybe they wanted to sprinkle Ethel out. You'll only take a little bit, it goes a very long way. Maybe they just wanted to like sprinkle her out over the season because it really does feel like a uh it's like let's bring Ethel back, and it's it's a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:54

This is the first one that we watched that I thought this is a little risque, and I'm talking about by 60s perspective, because there's always been the the other woman or the other man storylines and past sitcoms and that sort of thing. But this one touched on a little more hinting that people thought, oh, they were having sex, especially when he is hiding behind that screen, and and um, first of all, like you said, Don was adorable in this. He kept he thought the whole thing was hysterical, but yeah, he kept having to tone it down because nobody else thought it was all that funny. But and he, you know, kind of like tee hee. But when the screen fell down, and Ethel is standing there, and uh the father is down on his knees on the floor and he falls over. I'm like, I I don't know. I read maybe I read more into that than I should have. Well, I mean, summer of love. I I don't think that they were implying that they were down there trying to have sex, but it seems like something that they wouldn't have been able to do in other episodes, not in the way it was handled in this.

SPEAKER_09 1:01:57

Well, they're inching forward to be behind a screen with her, they're inching forward in permissiveness in these comments, but it's still a silly, silly episode. It's so silly, but it's fun, fun. And another reason why I chose it was because I love the chemistry between Lou Parker and Ethel Merman. I think it's so she can never remember his name. She thinks his name is Max, and he gets more and more frustrated with Ethel Merman that she can't remember his name. But I just love their chemistry. And he has chemistry with another actress, and this was so close to pick between these two episodes. So I'm just gonna briefly, if you will indulge me, Brad, for a few minutes, I want to mention that there's another episode, only two episodes later, that features one of our favorite, favorite actresses who also goes head to head with Lou Marie. And the episode is called, and it's a very funny title, it's called, Oh Dawn, poor Dawn, your pants are hanging in my closet, and I'm feeling so sad. And uh the reason I love it so much is because it features none other than Phyllis Stevens herself, Phyllis of Frank, I have a sick headache fame, Mabel Albertson, Mrs. Van Hoskins, it's great.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:15

And here's the thing you said you were gonna watch it, and it was not one we were gonna include as part of our four shows. And you're like, so watch it when you get a chance, if you get a chance. Yeah, I gotta say, out of the ones we watched, this may have been my favorite. I, you know, I I adore Mabel Albertson. And this was as I said, keep saying, this was pretty risque.

SPEAKER_09 1:03:41

It was. Well, Mabel Albertson, who plays Don Hollinger's mother, she's always playing somebody's mother. It's so crazy. She's Darren's mother, and then a half an hour later, she's Donald Hollinger's mother on ABC. She's basically the show is about Mabel Albertson trying to find out if Ann and Don are having sex. Yes. That's all it is. It's one big accusation of her that those two are screwing. It's so funny. And then Lou Marie, what just really quickly, the whole basis of the episode is that Donald's mother's coming in for a visit, but because of a mix-up with the hotel, she's staying with Anne the first night. And Donald does things like takes her into the bedroom, and she goes, How do you know where her bedroom is, Don? That was my biggest laugh. It's a two-room apartment. Where do you think the bedroom is? I laughed so hard. Of course. But the look on Mrs. Van Hoskins' face, and yes, I call her Mrs. Van Hoskins, is so great. She's like, Don, how do you know where her bedroom is? Well, I've seen her coming out of it, mother. So they're in the closet and they're hanging up Mrs. Hollinger's clothes, and she says, Oh, she sees a pair of pants hanging in the dry cleaning bag in Ann's closet. And Anne says, Oh, they're not mine, they're Donald's. And then she walks out, and then doing it strike, why are Don's pants hanging in your closet, Anne Marie? So it's that kind of a misunderstanding. And then Anne's father comes in, and that's what I love. I love you've got the the irresistible force meeting the immovable object. You've got Donald's mother against Anne's father, and it's so funny because they just go up against each other, and this really it's like a cataclysm when these two come together. It's so much fun to see them interact.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:28

Absolutely. And I'm glad you said, and watch it when you get a chance, because I had the chance and I don't regret it at all.

My Sister’s Keeper And Family Cameos

SPEAKER_09 1:05:36

I just think it's such a bright, fun episode. You know, Mabel Albertson, she's just not having any of it. And and Lou Parker just matches her, grunt for grunt. They're just perfect together, all trying to find out if Don and Anne are fucking. That's all it's about. They just want to know. And Don and Ann are like, eh, maybe, maybe not anyway. All right, so we're gonna go into our final episode. Of the That Girl series, and we're jumping ahead to season three. We didn't do any from season four or season five. Um, just because I found these initial seasons so charming and so much fun, and I think you probably did too, Brad, although you said you had one in the fifth that you liked. But anyway, this is a fun episode. I'm really glad you picked this one. It's from season three, it's episode 19. It's called My Sister's Keeper. It was directed by John Rich. It was written by Bill Persky and Sam Denhoff, and it aired on February 6th, 1969.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:36

You know, she was expecting you to call her.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:38

I know. That's what the message is about. You know, I really can't stay. Would you give it to her?

SPEAKER_04 1:06:42

Yeah, sure, sure. I'll I'll have to write it down. I have a very bad memory. Okay. What's the message?

SPEAKER_06 1:06:52

Please tell her that I appreciate what she's done, but it wouldn't be possible for me to make that audition.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:57

You wanted to reschedule it?

SPEAKER_06 1:06:58

No, I won't be able to make it at all.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:01

Rose. I don't think you know Anne very well. She thinks you're very good, and she's gonna bother you until you make it.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:09

What she doesn't know is that it would be impossible for me to make a career in show business. Why? Because I'm a non-that's funny.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:26

No, no, I'm I'm I'm sorry, sister. Believe me. I'm sorry. I'm not laughing at you. Um I'm laughing at anyone. Why didn't you tell them?

SPEAKER_06 1:07:34

Well, because when people find out they get I didn't. That's right. You didn't. You laughed. You know, you can get in a lot of trouble laughing at nuns.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:43

Well, not for the right reasons.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:45

I still don't understand why you didn't tell her. Well, you see, the reason I sing is because I like to. And the money we raise kind of helps the orphanage were on the side.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:52

Oh. Oh, sister. That's that that's great. Just great.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:57

You see, you're getting ooky.

SPEAKER_09 1:07:59

Do you want to guess why I remembered this episode? Because it features the entire Thomas family. Except the mother.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:09

No, actually. You know, I said I go around the house singing the that girl theme song. Yeah. More than that one, probably more than any, I don't know more than a song that I sing a whole lot more is the Stop and Have a Pop with Me. Oh, really? Is it really? Song from the commercial. I sing it all the time. And this one I made Maurice Watch because I'll be walking through the house all the time singing it. And he'll say, What is that? It's and I'm like, it's from it's from that girl. And he he just looks at me like I'm insane.

SPEAKER_09 1:08:44

Stop and have a pop with me.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:45

But I knew the lines verbatim. And I've been singing it probably for since the 70s. I've been singing this song.

SPEAKER_09 1:08:54

It's a very catchy tune. It is. Why don't you tell the people it is the story of the episode? Why she's singing Stop and Have a Pop with Me.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:01

Okay, so Anne gets this opportunity to do a commercial with another great guest star. Yeah. As I don't know if he, I was very confused if he works for the pop company or the advertisement agent. It doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:14

It is McLean Stevenson, who was a great actor. Unfortunately, he's remembered from that Hello Larry or whatever that show was. But he I adored him on MASH and I really hated him.

SPEAKER_09 1:09:25

I mean more MASH than Hello Larry, but yeah, yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:28

A lot of people remember it as his downfall, but uh he's definitely known for MASH. Great, great role that he was in. And it was so I was so happy to see him. So anyway, she gets an opportunity to be in this commercial for a soda pop called Pop. Pop. And coming from the Midwest, I love that they called it pop.

SPEAKER_09 1:09:48

Me too. Me too. I love that too. Because nobody here knows what the hell a pop is. I don't call it pop anymore. I call it soda too. But you go home, it's like you want a pop.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:57

Or in the south, where it's all called Coke. What kind of Coke do you want, Pepsi? Anyway. So it is for the pop brand of pop. And unfortunately, Ann has to sing, which she didn't have a great voice in this episode. It wasn't as horrible. I'm really glad they didn't play up, you know, where they have the actor really do a ridiculously terrible voice. She just had a voice that wasn't TV or move or movies. It's not, it's not it's not incredibly melodious. No, let's just say that. It's your average person trying to sing. Right. And uh so I was really happy that it did that, but she can't sing. So they ended up, she was up against another girl, and um Ann ended up getting the role, but she is lip syncing because the McLean Stevenson loved her for the role, and it's really funny that he's in this uh industry and he's like, all at the last minute, he's like, I have a great idea. Why didn't I think of it? Well, have you lame lip sync? And she goes, Oh, yeah, like My Fair Lady.

SPEAKER_09 1:10:57

Well, I want to make point that out. Just like in My Fair Lady. Now, we just talked about this. This was five years after My Fair Lady. That's how big that scandal was. About Julie and not being able to do and and Marnie Nixon and Audrey. Just hello, FYI, but go ahead.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:12

Yep. So, anyway, she is uh she lip synks this song, beautiful voice, and uh I found out who played that role because I'm like, I wonder whatever happened to that singer, she's really good. So I looked it up, and Tony will tell you about who she is. But I uh uh in Anne's like, uh, this woman's such a great singer, and she finds out the woman doesn't have an agent, and Anne's trying to help her career. And the woman's not interested, and Anne doesn't understand because Anne doesn't know the woman is a nun, and she does these gigs to help to pay for the orphanage. So, of course, you can't love help but love her in the end. So sweet.

SPEAKER_09 1:11:50

Before I tell you who the sister is, this is the episode where Dawn says to her, calls Anne Marie a good-hearted woman. But it's so funny because he goes, You're such a good-hearted woman. And Marlo Thomas goes, Woman? The take is so funny. She's like, I'm a woman, and then he goes, uh, lady. And she goes, Lady. And he goes, girl, girl. I just think that's it's Marlo Thomas. I mean, you know, feminist with a capital F. I'm kind of surprised that she had that reaction to woman. But it's but in her mind, a girl was someone between 18 and 23. She said, That's why the show's called That Girl, not That Woman. But anyway, and five years later, that would not have worked. No, but I just love Marlo Thomas' woman. It's such a great take. Her voice cracks like it always does. But playing the sister, the nun was indeed Marlo Thomas's sister, Terry. This entire episode is a Thomas family reunion because we have we have Terry Thomas playing the nun, beautiful voice. As I said, Marlo's mother was a singer, beautiful voice, inherited that beautiful voice. We've got her brother Tony Thomas playing the nun's brother, and in the cameo in the last three seconds, we have none other than a father himself, Danny Thomas, playing a father that Anne Marie bumps into. And she goes, excuse me, father. And he goes, It's all right, my child. I'm like, that's because it's a child. It's so cute.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:18

And I knew that was her sister after I said I looked up to find out whatever happened to this singer and saw that was her sister. I didn't realize that the guy with the big sideburns and the ask was her brother.

SPEAKER_09 1:13:31

It's just a Thomas family reunion. It's so cute. It's so meta, but it's not because they're not really commenting on you look like. They just play characters, but it's so sweet. Here's what I noticed when I saw Terry Thomas. I thought she looks so much like her father, so much more than Marlowe does. She's got kind of got the schnaws and she's got a mole on her upper lip. And then I I mean, I think we all know that Marlo Thomas famously had a nose job uh before she began her acting career. That's why she's got the little pert little nose. But what's fascinating is I thought she doesn't look at all, Marlo doesn't look at all like her father. And then I saw they did makeup tests. And on this DVD I got, they have the makeup tests. And it said it's not the Anne Marie look, it's Marlo without the big uh eyelashes and without the flip hair. She looks so much like her sister and so much like her father without that Anne Marie look. So I thought that was really interesting. That that's one of the reasons why they wanted the Anne Marie look because she doesn't look like her father as much as she does in real life. I thought it was interesting.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:36

Well, talk about Meta and the way she looks. First of all, I I wasn't surprised to hear that learned that was her sister because they really do look a lot, a lot alike.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:46

But I happen to watch an episode in season five called The Friars. And it was uh season five, episode 15, and I'm not gonna go into it, but talk about Meta. Milton Burl comes in playing Milton Burl, yes, and Danny Thomas comes in as Danny Thomas, and the whole episode he plays Danny Thomas, and of course, she's a fan of Danny Thomas, which was really cute. The biggest fan. She and Danny do this routine together, and the whole time I'm looking, I'm like, she must-I don't know what her mother looks like. You probably know. I'm like, she must get her look from her mother because she looks nothing like her father. So it's interesting that you saw that.

Finale Choices And Lasting Impact

SPEAKER_09 1:15:25

Without the, yeah, without the Anne Marie look, she looks so she looks like her father's daughter. She really does. It's so funny that they do things like that. Uh it's it's just it's great. But it's a god, is it a charming episode? What a fun, fun episode. And I love, again, I love Ted Bessel in this. He he finds out that that Terry is a nun before Anne does. And it's just it's just so funny the way he fools Ann into Ann eventually goes to the school where where Terry's character is teaching, uh, and she's in her full nun garb. And he is a little rascal in this one. He's so great. He's so great. Well, those are our four episodes, four and a half episodes. And we didn't do one from the fifth season, but we do need to just touch on the final episode. One of the reasons we didn't do it was because it's a clip episode, and Brad hates clip episodes, and I'm not that crazy about them either. In fact, they feature some of the episodes we've already talked about in this episode. But it is interesting because as Brad said, the show did not end with Don and Anne getting married. They get engaged in the very first episode of the fifth season, and they play it out through the entire, the entire epic the entire season. And you would think logically, oh, well, they're gonna end with a wedding. And Marlo Thomas said, no way. I love this. I love this. She said, We will not end this series with them getting married. I don't want the young women who are inspired by Anne Marie to think that this is your automatic happy ending. Maybe they get married, maybe they don't. They leave it open, and I think that's pretty fascinating. And not only do they not get married in this last episode, she takes Donald to a women's lib meeting. Isn't that fantastic? That's awesome. No, I wish I watched it. It's a cute episode. They get stuck in the elevator and they reminisce, and that's where the clips come in. But it's so funny, despite the fact that everybody at the network, all you know, wanted them to get married, Marla Thomas was like, no, we're not ending the show that way. We are ending it open-ended. Maybe they get married, maybe they don't. I don't want to let, I don't want young girls who watch this show to get the idea that's the be-all and end-all is getting married. So, you know, there's a reason why she became such a a feminist icon with Gloria Steinem and doing things like free to be you and me and and winning Peabody Awards, because this is a this is an incredible, incredible woman.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:49

Yeah, and I debated between I had enough time to watch one more episode, and I debated between the three. I was gonna watch the one you just watched. I saw it was a clip episode. I'm like, okay, I'm eliminating that one. The other one was the one I watched with Danny Thomas, and there was another one that I saw, and I don't remember ever seeing it. And if I remember correctly, Anne was upset doing a commercial that she thought was racist against Mexicans. Wow. And I debated on that one, and I'm like, no, I really want to watch with the one with her father, but I'm gonna go back and watch that one if I'm remembering correctly, but I'm almost certain I am.

SPEAKER_09 1:18:26

I think everybody needs to go back and rediscover this series. It is not the series that you're thinking it is. I really, really, I really uh urge people. I was surprised and happy because I had the same kind of ideas about that girl, remembering it as I was growing up, seeing in reruns. Um, and I thought, yeah, it was cute, but Mary Tyler Moore. But watching it again, it's just, as I said, a million it's as I've said earlier in the episode, fun, light, effervescent, but with really sharp, funny, witty dialogue, fun situations. And Marlo Thomas gets about as close to Lucy Ricardo as you can get without being Lucy Ricardo. And it's a testament to this woman's wonderful talent that it is. It's also a testament to her later career being a feminist icon, you know, doing things for equal rights. And just it's wonderful. It's a wonderful series, and I highly, highly, highly recommend people go out and watch it.

Listener Mail And Future Picks

SPEAKER_07 1:19:25

Yeah, and if I'm wrong about that episode, let us know. But I because I scanned it and I saw the synopsis and that. But I agree. Just whatever, watch this show because it's it's it's so refreshing to watch. And like I was hesitant, and I'm glad we watched it. Well, we're not done.

SPEAKER_09 1:19:44

Hey, you know, I didn't say it. We have more than one thing left to say because finally, finally, finally, yes, this is the day. We pick our longest episodes to read some reviews, but we needed to do it. So we have a couple, we've gotten some reviews since we were on hiatus, some emails since we were on hiatus, and we really wanted to read a couple because we really wanted to thank people for reaching out to us and just saying things, saying things that just wonderful. So I wanted to read this one. This was actually an email we got um to our goinghollywood podcast at gmail.com. And it says it's from a listener, his name is Robert, and in his description, he's an older than dirt gay guy in Roanoke, Virginia. And then he put in parentheses, well, older than you, ever so slightly. That's funny. So he said, he said, Tony and Brad, you did anti-maim. It's time now you should do Lucy's version. Get a jar of Vaseline and smear it over the mic. So, Brad, the public has spoken. I think we're going to have to do an episode on MAME. Yes, we are. Yeah, we are. We are. We're gonna we're gonna couch it in this. Uh, we're gonna do a series about movies, bad movies we love, I guess for lack of determining words. So, yes, we are going to include MAME, but he also had other suggestions. He suggested Mrs. Miniver, he suggested Gone with the Wind, and he suggested Guess Who's Coming to Dinner? And Robert, when Brad heard that, he said, We're doing Guess Who's Coming to Dinner. So there you go. We're doing another one of your suggestions.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:29

I have brought it up several times, and this is one that Tony never said no, but we just never got around to it. And when we got this email, thank you, thank you, thank you. Because when we got it, Tony said, Do you think we should fit it in there? I'm like, any opportunity I have to watch Guess Who's Coming to Dinner, we're gonna do it. So thank you again.

SPEAKER_09 1:21:47

So stay tuned for that. It's gonna be one of our best actress films. Uh, in a couple weeks we'll talk about it. But Brad, I think you had our review or two you wanted to acknowledge.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:55

Yeah, let me do two really quick because one of them is very short. Um, it was from J Dutz K1 or 4.3. Uh just as a fun podcast. Came across this podcast. Love the fun interplay between the hosts. Other one came from Jack C. And he says he recently found this podcast. He knows Tony from his involvement with uh his DVDs on the Lucy show. And he says, Tony, his knowledge and insight into all things classic Hollywood is top-notch. And he says, I also enjoy Brad, who is always willing to spar with Tony to share an alternate perspective. His practical approach is appreciated as I consider sharing classic film with my friends who have similar attitudes to Brad. So they're curmudgeons as well. Exactly. Yeah. Was that an underhanded comment? Anyway, no. Uh I think that was very nice. And I do have one more. Uh, this came in just the other day from Sin Hutch. Oh, wow. Uh very enjoyable. From who? I'm sorry, I talked to over you. C Y-N Hutch. C Y-N Hutch. Oh. And so this one you didn't know about, I don't think. Uh very enjoyable listen. I'm hooked. Uh, they said they were searching for an episode about Grey Gardens and discovered our podcast. So that's great.

SPEAKER_09 1:23:18

We've actually heard that um more than once about that. Yes, Grey Gardens has brought us some people, which is that's Grey Gardens, the gift that keeps on giving.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:27

Yep. Yep. And uh the best part she said, they are witty and informative and opinionated. And my favorite part is and don't pass on a lot of misinformation.

Closing Lines And Pop Song

SPEAKER_09 1:23:38

Ah, thank you. Yes, if there's that's going to be on my tombstone, I swear. He did his best not to pass along misinformation because God knows it's rampant out there. It's rampant out there. Just put on Hulu, you'll find all kinds, not to mention YouTube. Anyway, anyway, anyway. Well, that was uh thank you, people, for taking the time out of your incredibly busy lives to reach out to us. Uh we appreciate that so much. It just gives us it gives us all the feels, gets a little for clumped. Thank you. Absolutely. Thank you so much. We love you for doing it. So, yes, text us, email us. Our email is goinghollywoodpod at gmail.com. I think I might have said at Going Hollywood Podcast. Not right. GoingHollywoodpod at gmail.com. I think that's in the show notes. If not, we'll put it there. Well, that was that girl. Um I truly, truly loved uh talking about this classic show, Brad. Thank you for pushing me to do it. Uh you were right, I'll admit it. I don't always admit it, but you were right. So much fun. I love, love, love it. And uh I just had a ball with Anne Marie and Donald Hollinger. That's my bad Anne Marie. And Lou Marie. That was pretty bad. That was pretty bad. I know. I my friend Karen does the best. Anne Marie. I wish I should maybe get her to do it and put up, we'll play it. But anyway, that's all I gotta say about uh that girl, Brad. Unless you have something else you want to say. Uh I just have one more thing to say, but I don't want to say it. So let's not say goodbye. Let's just say stop and get it a pop with me.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:19

You know what? I'm not gonna say my usual. Let's go have a pop.

SPEAKER_09 1:25:23

Let's go have a pop. Goodbye, everybody. Just one time say say oh Donald. Oh Donald.